Thursday, October 30, 2008

on christina

1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient). And did you know that 80 percent of babies diagnosed with Down's Syndrome are aborted? Here are more statistics.

A while ago, maybe it's been a year or so, I watched a Christina show about abortion and Hispanic women. Christina is a Hispanic talk show host on Univision. Christina made it clear at the beginning of the program that she is in favor of legal, safe abortion. However, she also said she thought that women should know exactly what they are choosing when they get an abortion. They should know what the baby looks like, what it will feel, and what other options may be available to them. She had a number of women on the show who had chosen to have abortions, several who had been strongly encouraged or even forced by family members to do so. All of them said how much they regretted it and how they had been told things like, "It's not even a baby, it's just a tiny little seed inside you right now" (to a woman 12 weeks pregnant). All were very distraught about it, except one young woman in her mid-20's who'd had five abortions and knew she'd have more because she didn't like to practice other forms of birth control.

There was one woman at the end of the program who only had a few minutes, but I would have liked to hear more from her. She said she grew up near L.A in a Hispanic neighborhood. She realized as a college student that there were four abortion clinics within a mile's radius of her childhood home. She said that there were always flyers from these clinics everywhere she went, encouraging Latin women to come into the clinics. She started to wonder, who is behind this? Why so many clinics and why so much pro-abortion propaganda in my neighborhood? She did some research and found that some groups supporting the clinics and propaganda had an interest in keeping the Hispanic population low. I don't remember that she was able to share more information and I don't remember her name or anything. I think she had published a book on her findings.


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Anonymous said...

I think these statics support Ave's perception of the liberal left.

-not ave nor any relation to :)

Mama Ava said...

Interesting, given that nothing political about either party was mentioned in this post, that you assumed it was the liberal left.

Maybe it was the conservatives, so many of whom are dying to have a fence strung between Texas and Mexico to keep out the "less desirable" are the ones wanting to keep the population low.

Do those stats indicate that liberals are getting all those abortions? I don't suppose there are quite a few conseratives or even conservative Christians who have made the decision. That would muddy the waters.

I am quite put off by the characterization of liberals in the last couple responses. I don't know anyone who believes some of the things that have been attributed to liberals, and I know some very "left" people. By making such broad generalizations, you are reinforcing the polarity that the candidaes themselves push--that it's either "us" or "them".

Anonymous said...

Mama Ava,
That is exactly why I think we should get rid of the parties. I saw a crude bumper sticker the other day, and I had to agree. It said "liberals/conservatives same s***, different piles." We have lost touch of the original party views and made it ugly. I work in a very liberal town, and lots of the liberals I work with every day are short sighted and carping little mean people when it comes to politics. The extreme Chritsian Right people I find equally annoying, like their politics are a badge of holiness.
As I wrote in the last post, I don't mean to offend, it is just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

I did not infer it was liberals advertising the abortion clinics.

I spoke to the statistics- referencing Ave's perception of liberals desiring abortion as birth control.

I can see how you would not appreciate the link made to abortion on demand and liberals.

But I have to tell you it was a very natural connection to make. I didn't even realize I had done it. I apologize that it was offensive to you.

Another reader was also put off by Ave's perception. Instead of being offended by liberal characterizations however, why not consider them and work to change them, if in fact, you disagree.
Show conservatives that they've misunderstood the liberal position. You may be able do some good in healing the polarization you refer to.

Anonymous said...

Sorry Ave. Wasn't trying to "drag you in". It just reminded me of your comment. I think I explained how.

Meg said...

Wow. Another lively day at Calandria's. :)

Extremes are never good and issues of life and death are passionate. I don't think anyone means to offend. Conversation is good.

Anonymous said...

I am fully behind the right to choose. We all have to make decision about what we are going to do. We have to choose if we are going to have sexual relations or not. Every time we choose to we are a wear that a child could be conceived that is what the outcome is. Even if people take every precaution the chance of conception is on the table. In a way it is like playing Russian roulette, every now and then someone who plays that game losses. We should accept the results of the choice we made. If an abortion is preformed and it falls in to the 93% range it is birth control, it is killing a child of god. If you don’t want a baby then you should not participate in the activities that will cause the conception of a baby (calling it a fetus so one feels better is a copout). If the thought of an abortion sits well with then you are in a different place then me. I political point I would like to toss in, Senator Obama feels it is ok to let babies that have survived an abortion to be placed to a closet and to be left to die, they are alive and he is a twisted man . You know he said it best "I don’t want to punish them with a baby". If you care about life and are going to vote for Senator Obama please look again. JW

Anonymous said...

JW is being extreme. eyeroll, but since I am married to him we just agree to disagree.

Anonymous said...

oh yeah, and the anonymous person should give himself or herself a name, like Skippy or something, just so we don't get this person confused with another anonymous!

Calandria said...

Kumbaya, my Lord, Kumbaya...

Chocolate on my Cranium said...

And I thought this post was great just listing some statistics!

While I was driving from town today there was an almost hour long segment on abortion on NPR. The woman they were interviewing was just giving facts comparing Obama's and McCain's views on abortion (and Sarah Palin's but no Joe Biden). She also just talked about some ballot questions that are some of the states' ballots. The one I remember was from Oklahoma. The initiative was that any woman who was going to have an abortion HAD to have an ultrasound with the doctor explaining everything that was on the screen and the screen had to be where the woman could see it the entire time.

Mike & Mal said...

In response to the previous post and its comments, and going along with JW's comment on this post, I have written a blog concerning partial-birth abortion. I do include my own feelings at the end, but aside from that I think it's fairly unbiased. Just in case anyone's interested.


Anonymous said...

I also have lots of liberal friends who only agree with freedom of choice and do not support the idea of abortion as a form of birth control. That said, Ave happens to live in an area where there are some really strange and aggressive liberal types. I also have a few lib. friends in the area and I know how they can be but I think it is more that they get caught up in the momentum of an issue rather then actually supporting it. That momentum (borderline 'mob mentality') is something that almost everyone does to a certain extent so a little self-control and understanding is necessary.
When people get really gung-ho they also are no longer able to listen to possible solutions of what is sometimes a complex issue.

Ave girl you are not offending anyone. I love to hear your opinions. XOXOX

Anonymous said...

btw, after reading about the girl in the Hispanic neighborhood in L.A. it occurred to me that although abortion clinics may perform some social service why don't people spend more time, effort and money in spreading information and birth control to prevent this in the first place. Seems to me that if the 4 clinics were limited to 1 then the other 3 could spend their resources in pregnancy prevention and education.

Also, why is it that the U.S. has such a high teen pregnancy rate in the first place? I still don't get that one but its definitely a cultural thing. It just isn't a problem here.