Friday, April 10, 2009

declining religious rights

-- A Christian photographer was forced by the New Mexico Civil Rights Commission to pay $6,637 in attorney's costs after she refused to photograph a gay couple's commitment ceremony.
-- A psychologist in Georgia was fired after she declined for religious reasons to counsel a lesbian about her relationship.

-- Christian fertility doctors in California who refused to artificially inseminate a lesbian patient were barred by the state Supreme Court from invoking their religious beliefs in refusing treatment.

-- A Christian student group was not recognized at a University of California law school because it denies membership to anyone practicing sex outside of traditional marriage.

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8 comments:

Ave said...

that is where we are headed, a Christian minority. Or, a amoral majority.

Calandria said...

You know, I don't care if gay people get married, honestly. Live and let live. But when people are persecuted for their religious beliefs in THIS country, I get worried.

yesweareonmars said...

The lesbian couldn't get inseminated but the woman on welfare and 6 kids did? Now she has 14?

The problem with these decisions is that it takes away freedom of religion. State is sneaking its way into religious freedom. Whether one agrees or not is irrelevant, what it relevant is not having the freedom to choose.
Freedom?? For the past 10 years or so Americans are so easy to give up their freedoms.

Ave said...

Lee is right. We give it up all the freakin' time. It is pathetic. Religous freedom isn't arelevant cause to a lot of people any more unless it is a religon like Islam or involving the freeing of Tibet.

Calandria said...

There are plenty of people who wouldn't mind inseminating a lesbian, taking photos of gay weddings, or counseling them in their relationships. Why pick on the people who are not comfortable with that?

Maybe we do have a problem with giving up rights, but what I see is a sue-happy people. And people who like to persecute those who don't agree with them.

Anonymous said...

i am not sure why every one is upset by this its not like we have any constitutional rights that involve religion. Hey if Christian are in the minority does that mean the ACLU will start defenting us.
JW

yesweareonmars said...

Cute J.

k. said...

I had an interesting discussion with a Muslim friend about religious rights once. One example was that she doesn't eat meat, but if she is a guest at someone's house, and they offer her meat to eat, she will do so out of politeness. We talked about how difficult it is when beliefs (religious or not) conflict, and where is the line when it comes to temporarily ceding your beliefs or enforcing them. She explained that if the owner of the house were a true friend, she would expect that they would know she has religious dietary restrictions and would have planned accordingly, but that she can't expect everyone to know the extent of her religious beliefs by just meeting her once or twice.

You gave four examples, which interestingly enough were exclusively about sexual practices. And what is to one person the right to defend their religious beliefs, is to another person discrimination. I don't believe in lawsuits, and I myself would probably find someone who isn't going to judge me for my beliefs, but where is the line drawn? I thought judging people based on their beliefs was something that is restricted to God? Aren't we judged as to whether or not we can enter heaven? I personally don't think I have any right to be judging someone else based on what I perceive to be a sin.

Is it really okay for a fertility doctor to deny impregnating a woman because she eats meat and the doctor is a religious vegetarian? Or for a doctor to deny impregnating a black woman because the doctor is a racist? Or the best (possibly only) psychologist in town to deny services because he can't see the patients face through their hijab? Because these are religious rights that might hinder a doctor from providing services. Denying someone services because of sexual orientation is the same as doing so because of race or religion. And if someone is refused doctor services because the doctor and patient beliefs don't match, then if these two lawsuits had failed, then doctors could use them as precedence to deny services to any number of people.

The line isn't so clear when you realize that the law will apply the line you are drawing to these other situations.

But I guess the one that gets me is the Christian student group denying membership to anyone practicing sex outside of marriage. Wouldn't this group want anyone to join so that they would have the opportunity to help the kids having sex see the errors of their ways? Because I've had sex, am I not allowed to be a Christian anymore? Does sinning make me incapable of being convinced to change my ways?

If so, then I am already a lost cause.